tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6685155377705481833.post4563643201698169708..comments2023-09-22T03:17:50.469-04:00Comments on Middle Class Political Economist: Moving the goal posts on ACA success UPDATEDKenneth Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05747704671007690674noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6685155377705481833.post-16670473752284182132015-05-22T02:12:14.322-04:002015-05-22T02:12:14.322-04:00Maybe like Pelosi he never actually read the bill....Maybe like Pelosi he never actually read the bill. It was never passed, so he never knew there was a mandate in it!<br /><br />jackhttp://novatownhall.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6685155377705481833.post-51505829251225380722015-05-21T03:22:07.225-04:002015-05-21T03:22:07.225-04:00Jack, here's your bill. Orrin Hatch, Chuck Gra...Jack, here's your bill. Orrin Hatch, Chuck Grassley, Richard Lugar, Dave Durenberger, and lead sponsor John Chaffee, Republicans all, introduced a bill in 1993 with the individual mandate and vouchers for the poor to buy insurance. Politifact doesn't mention the bill number, but I'll leave a trip to the THOMAS database to you: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/14/cenk-uygur/hatch-once-supported-individual-mandate-said-cenk-/<br /><br />I found it in less than a minute Googling "Republicans who supported individual mandate."Kenneth Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05747704671007690674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6685155377705481833.post-81960384822176900482015-05-18T12:03:08.598-04:002015-05-18T12:03:08.598-04:00He said, "they supported years ago," but...He said, "they supported years ago," but cannot show any bill where it was even PROPOSED? Please.<br /><br />This was not DESIGNED by republicans. Not a single republic had anything to do with drafting the legislation. Not one. You go back to a paper one republican wrote years ago, which was never acted on by any Republican in Congress, and you want to call it a Republican idea?<br /><br />ROMNEY? He had a DEMOCRAT-run legislature. Anyway, just because the States can do something does not mean that the feral government is allowed do it.<br /><br />So why would you want to say it's a Republican Idea -- to push the blame off the Democrats, perhaps? If it's so great, why not take full credit for it?jackhttp://novatownhall.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6685155377705481833.post-17017992130652793812015-05-15T12:04:35.457-04:002015-05-15T12:04:35.457-04:00Jack, Larry means it is Republican in the sense th...Jack, Larry means it is Republican in the sense that it was designed by Republicans. One Republican governor even put into practice in Massachusetts. I have traced the individual mandate back as far as a Stuart Butler report for the Heritage Foundation in 1989. And that was the revised version; I haven't yet gone back to find the earliest version. http://www.middleclasspoliticaleconomist.com/2012/10/conservative-refutation-of.htmlKenneth Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05747704671007690674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6685155377705481833.post-15455825033610845132015-05-14T18:04:20.716-04:002015-05-14T18:04:20.716-04:00Really? Show me the bill number. The congress.go...Really? Show me the bill number. The congress.gov site is searchable back to the 93rd Congress.<br />https://www.congress.gov/legislation?q=%7B%22congress%22%3A%22114%22%7Djackhttp://novatownhall.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6685155377705481833.post-26752028672342892662015-05-07T13:17:58.226-04:002015-05-07T13:17:58.226-04:00Speaking of expensive, Oregon's insurance rate...Speaking of expensive, Oregon's insurance rates are now out for 2016;<br /><br />http://www.bendbulletin.com/slideShows?layout=2&storyId=3115701&currSlide=1<br /><br />With some companies needing increases of almost 40%. And the WaPo isn't exactly shouting 'success for Obamacare!', either in this piece;<br /><br />http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/almost-half-of-obamacare-exchanges-are-struggling-over-their-future/2015/05/01/f32eeea2-ea03-11e4-aae1-d642717d8afa_story.html<br /><br />Patrick Sullivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14948365865741313524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6685155377705481833.post-53351442521254577872015-05-04T16:13:53.179-04:002015-05-04T16:13:53.179-04:00Anonymous/Patrick, conservatives kept complaining ...Anonymous/Patrick, conservatives kept complaining that the PPACA was over 2000 pages long, but in "King," suddenly those 2000+ pages have nothing to do with statutory interpretation. What is silly is your claim to be "for" the law, when plaintiffs are trying to eviscerate the subsidies in healthcare.gov states, ensuring that it is no longer tenable there. I have very little tolerance for such disingenuousness.<br /><br />However, I see you did post an attack on me on your blog as I requested, so I will give you more slack here. Regarding your post (http://hisstoryisbunk.blogspot.com/2015/04/fools-for-proof.html), it does seem that the new service could be efficiency-enhancing. But you didn't mention this tidbit: “We expect there will be a great demand,” Spain-Remy said. “As more and more people have insurance, there is a pent-up demand for care.” The PPACA is definitely the most market-oriented reform for universal insurance, just as its designers at the Heritage Foundation designed it to be.<br /><br />And it still remains the case that the most marketized system in the industrialized world is the most expensive. <br /><br />Cheers.Kenneth Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05747704671007690674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6685155377705481833.post-25889285470984476142015-05-04T10:09:39.231-04:002015-05-04T10:09:39.231-04:00Yeah, silly because what he's saying is exactl...Yeah, silly because what he's saying is exactly right and it doesn't fit your paradigm so you blithely dismiss it as "silly". Though, you're right - if the law is enforced as written and designed it is Republicans at large who will be blamed, not the people who wrote the law in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6685155377705481833.post-52889265329532360052015-04-29T20:37:53.966-04:002015-04-29T20:37:53.966-04:00Patrick, now you're just being silly.Patrick, now you're just being silly.Kenneth Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05747704671007690674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6685155377705481833.post-7135075096004725742015-04-29T11:58:59.152-04:002015-04-29T11:58:59.152-04:00The challengers in 'King' are arguing FOR ...The challengers in 'King' are arguing FOR the law. They want it enforced as it is written.Patrick Sullivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14948365865741313524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6685155377705481833.post-16707990707607571972015-04-28T10:39:46.803-04:002015-04-28T10:39:46.803-04:00Democrats did indeed pass the ACA by themselves. ...Democrats did indeed pass the ACA by themselves. It got zero GOP votes in the House and zero in the Senate. (it did get Arlen Specter's vote, and he had been a Republican until he switched parties 8 months before the ACA vote)<br /><br />There was no single payer because Democrats like Ben Nelson refused to vote for it. Joe Lieberman even refused to vote for an ACA that included a public option. Nelson and Lieberman would have preferred there to be no ACA at all than for there to be a single payer system. And they had the power to get their wish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6685155377705481833.post-31875799891362509782015-04-27T09:05:32.181-04:002015-04-27T09:05:32.181-04:00How much longer can Republican'ts keep promisi...How much longer can Republican'ts keep promising an alternative to Obamacare--and failing to deliver one--before they get laughed off the stage? Rob Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16964918034993374294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6685155377705481833.post-19268283209304934382015-04-26T08:14:43.849-04:002015-04-26T08:14:43.849-04:00Jack, This is a Republican law one they supported ...Jack, This is a Republican law one they supported years ago. If Democrats could have passed the law by themselves we would have single-payer, which would have cutout the middle-man. Republicans have nothing in there bag of tricks to replace it with. And Republicans this past week, if they win the case in the court want to extend Obamacare until 2017. They have no game for 16 million that have insurance now. How sad they have become!larrydpowellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17554209426339316226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6685155377705481833.post-46380178736475873512015-04-25T03:05:12.947-04:002015-04-25T03:05:12.947-04:00Perhaps you should ask some Republicans, since it ...Perhaps you should ask some Republicans, since it is a fact they are getting antsy.<br /><br />My best guess is that if millions of people lose their health insurance due to King v. Burwell, they will blame Republicans. And Republican Senators like Kirk, Johnson, Ayotte, Portman, and Toomey will be in especially precarious situations in their 2016 elections, since they live in states that President Obama won twice.Kenneth Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05747704671007690674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6685155377705481833.post-53403757946138069962015-04-24T18:10:42.092-04:002015-04-24T18:10:42.092-04:00Why should Republicans get antsy about King v. Bur...Why should Republicans get antsy about King v. Burwell. Democrats wrote the law, not Republicans.jackhttp://novatownhall.comnoreply@blogger.com